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Comments on the Confessing Church
and the Puritans

Berry Craig's recent essay comparing the Confessing Church movement to the Puritans of the 17th century has attracted lots of interest ... and criticism.

[5-29-02]

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Subj: Berry Craig's article on Puritans, The CCM and the Layman

Date: 5/28/02

As a pastor of a congregation that is part of the Confessing Church Movement, I would suggest that Berry Craig misunderstands both the Confessing Church Movement and Puritans. If the Witherspoon Society is interested mainly in propaganda then Berry Craig's article will suffice. If the Witherspoon society is at all interested in the viewpoint of those within the Confessing Church Movement and a more positive viewpoint on Puritans I would be happy to provide a rebuttal argument.

One note on Puritans: The English Puritans - Presbyterians, as a matter of fact - were some of the most educated Biblical Scholars of their day. Many 20th Century scholars tended to see the Puritans through the lenses of the Victorian age. Puritans were a much more complicated people than their reputation suggests. We tend to see them as rule obsessed, which was not the case.

Why did the English Puritans lose in England? 1. Because the Presbyterians in Parliament dithered too long until the Army was mainly Congregationalist and Cromwell kicked them out and established religious freedom for all Protestants, (except the Quakers). 2. Because after Cromwell's death Charles II made an agreement with the Puritans in the Church of England that he would not kick Puritans out of their pulpits and then proceeded to do so. Anyone who would not submit to the Episcopalian system was essentially defrocked by the returning Anglicans with Charles' support. Presbyterians then became part of the Non-Conformist movement that theoretically was disenfranchised by the government, meaning that Nonconformists were not allowed to vote or hold office. In actuality this quickly passed, as a Church History Professor at Fuller, James Bradley proved by examining burial records, church records and comparing them to voting records and membership in parliament.

In many ways the Puritans in England WERE the Presbyterian Church of their day, from the time of Henry VIII on. Yes, they were interested in following the Law, but through what we Presbyterians call the third use of the Law: thankfulness to God. Puritans had a rich history of careful thought and engagement with God through the emotions as their diaries both here in America and in England will attest.

Ultimately the Puritans both in America and in England fell to the Enlightenment idea of freedom of religion - to all of our good. Curiously, they were replaced by the Revival movements of the past 300 years.

In Christ,

Robert Campbell, pastor of First Presbyterian Church, Titusville, NJ.


P.S. Jack Rogers, our moderator and my mentor, is an expert on the Puritans before and at the time the time of the Westminster Assembly. I suspect that he would support what I say here.

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Subj: Shame, shame

Date: 5/28/02


You print a diatribe like Berry's and then have the nerve to denounce the Layman? You folks need to do some serious soul searching. Talk about looking at the speck in another's eye and missing the beam in your own ..................... ______________________________________________

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Subj: Re: The New Puritans

Date: 5/28/02


CCM members don't have or claim to have, "..the final answers to the big questions about human existence in their grasp..", as you say; we simply claim to know who does - Jesus Christ.

You also seem to be confused about the goal of the CCM. It is not to gain members or advance the CCM within the Presbyterian church. Rather, we seek to honor the one whom we profess to believe in and to fulfill the commission that He gave to us.

Theologically, your notion of Presbyterianism, like so many today, is nothing more than universalism. How do you answer Paul's claim that there is, "no other name in heaven by which men are saved except Jesus Christ.."? My friend, determining WHO (the elect) gets saved is not the same as telling people HOW they are saved (the grace of God through Jesus Christ). The first task is God's. The second is that of the Christian (Presbyterian or other). Please review one of the many insightful works on the history of the Reformation to see just how far your idea of Presbyterianism is from that of Knox, Calvin, Zwingli, and the other reformers.

As a student of history it amazes me that you have totally ignored the larger possibility that what is likely to collapse is the Presbyterian Church USA, rather than the CCM. If the CCM is a leaky boat, the PCUSA is the Titanic after it hit the iceberg. For the last 35 to 40 years, membership in this institution has continued to drop (correlates nicely with the introduction of liberal, new age, universalistic theology at many Presbyterian seminaries). If you believe as I do, that God raises up people for His purpose as well as He allows them to self destruct when they begin advancing their own agenda, it doesn't bode well for the PCUSA. But then again, I care about serving God, not the PCUSA or CCM or even someone's idea of what the PCUSA ought to be. The central issue that faces the PCUSA, the CCM and all of us is actually quite simple; whom do we obey - God or culture? I'm betting on God.


Lyle Helvie, elder at Center Grove Presbyterian in Greenwood, Indiana.

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Subj: Response to Berry Craig

Date: 5/28/02


I think he has simplistic, judgemental answers. Not everyone in the CCM accepts all that the Layman says. The two are not as related as opponents would like to believe. To associate Puritans/fundamentalists and communists from the former Soviet Union and say they are all alike is funny if it wasn't spoken -- I take it -- in seriousness. Or is Berry simply speaking tongue in cheek? I hope the latter. Anyone teaching college age kids and giving them that kind of information as factual is frightening.

Dick Craig

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It is too bad that as a professor of history, Berry Craig does not show evidence of knowing his subject (http://www.witherspoonsociety.org/the_new_puritans.htm).

What he tells his students about the purpose (taking over the church; forcing their views on the rest of the world) and character ("sizzling with self-righteousness") of the CCM is incorrect. Either he has not researched it, or did not understand it, or is deliberately telling untruths about it.

In addition, he does not seem to understand the meaning of the word "fundamentalist". This term cannot reasonably be applied to the large majority of CCM churches, as there are very few fundamentalists at all in the PC(USA.)

Academic integrity should require Craig to familiarize himself with people and churches in the CCM before presuming to instruct students about it. Those of us who are evangelicals would appreciate Craig's using his mind, as he instructs others to do.


Deborah Milam Berkley
Member, First Pres. Bellevue (WA)

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More Craig commentary

Date: 5/30/02

Oh, my; you mean Craig was serious? I was about to commend the Witherspoon Society for posting such a dandy parody of the usual anti-CCM polemics. I just naturally assumed that, as a trained
historian, he knew enough about the Puritans to understand that the comparison is no insult. Too bad. So instead I'll commend you for posting the responses.

Steve Jones, Deacon
First Church
Kokomo IN

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Two more comments, added here on 6-4-02

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Mr. Craig's propaganda

6/1/02

To the Editor,

Mr. Craig's article about the Confessing Church movement may properly be considered propaganda. Alfred McClung Lee, the author of The Fine Art of Propaganda established seven hallmark tricks of the manipulative propagandist. Mr. Craig, in a relatively brief article, managed to employ all seven.

1. Name calling or hanging a bad label on an idea. Consider Mr. Craig's use of "Puritan", "fundamentalist" , "ideologues", and "self-righteous"

2. Card stacking, or the selective use of facts and outright falsehoods. Consider his brief history in which he laid responsibility for the English civil war on the Puritans without context and without any reference to other issues such as the abuses of Charles I. He cites the Puritan's strictness, narrow-mindedness and intolerance as reasons for their decline after the Civil War, but fails to mention that they allowed religious freedom for many groups including Jews, Quakers and various Arminian sects. Nor does he mention as a factor in the Puritan decline the oppression that the Puritans suffered during the Restoration in which thousands of Puritan pastors were driven from their pulpits, imprisoned, exiled or in some cases tortured or killed.

3. Band Wagon, a claim that everyone like us thinks this way. Consider his repeated use of the phrase "Most Presbyterians"

4. Testimonial: the association of a respected or hated person with an idea. Consider his use of quotes from Eric Sevareid. Shirley Guthrie in support of his position and his association of a verse filled with wrath with the Layman and the CCM without any supporting evidence that this is representative of the ideas held by those organizations.

5. Plain Folks: a technique whereby the idea and its proponents are linked to "people just like you and me". Consider these phrases used by Craig: "Most Presbyterians prefer debate to coercion" (as if the CCM and The Layman do not); "Presbyterianism is a thinker's religion...you just need common sense", etc.

6. Transfer: an assertion of a connection between something valued or hated and the idea being discussed. Consider his misconceived moral equivalence in which he equates The Layman and the CCM with a Marxist-Leninist Soviet Union that killed, imprisoned and oppressed millions of its citizens.

7. Glittering Generality: an association of something with a "virtue word" or a "hate word" to gain approval or disapproval without examining the evidence: Consider how Mr. Craig claims that the CCM "demonizes" gays, or that it "sizzles with self-righteousness" without a shred of evidence.

If the Witherspoon Society is sincere in its desire to nurture a prophetic voice of the church through study, action and reflection that will equip the faithful for responsible participation at all levels of the church, then I would suggest that its editor be more responsible by publishing articles that persuade with reason and facts rather than manipulation.

Ron Anderson

Member of the Presbyterian Church at New Providence

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Berry Craig article

6/2/02

The most hopeful comment in Berry Craig's essay is the statement "We have enough examples in our past, when love and compassion have overcome such movements as we are now facing, to be hopeful about overcoming the current one."

That phrase caught my eye because it goes to the heart of this problem within our church as well as the fundamentalism which is brewing globally today around the world and fueling the rage (fear) in terrorist attacks. Severeid's phrase "dangerously passionate certainties" is right on, and once any of us gets into in that mind frame, justice and compassion and mercy and humility are shoved aside. Fear and all its ugly faces (anger, self-righteousness, power, control, greed) take center stage.

These are very rapidly changing times, that generate fear et al in many of our fellow believers. If we can welcome the changes knowing that a God who loves us, no matter what, faces those changes with us and will be there to guide us through, we have all we need for the journey. It is just a matter of hanging on for the ride. Perfect love casts out fear. None of us imperfect humans can demonstrate that 24/7, but with God's constant presence, help and love, surely this, too, shall pass!


Janet Hovis, Grace Covenant, Asheville, NC

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Some blogs worth visiting

 

PVJ's Facebook page

Mitch Trigger, PVJ's Secretary/Communicator, has created a Facebook page where Witherspoon members and others can gather to exchange news and views. Mitch and a few others have posted bits of news, both personal and organizational. But there’s room for more!

You can post your own news and views, or initiate a conversation about a topic of interest to you.

 

Voices of Sophia blog

Heather Reichgott, who has created this new blog for Voices of Sophia, introduces it:

After fifteen years of scholarship and activism, Voices of Sophia presents a blog. Here, we present the voices of feminist theologians of all stripes: scholars, clergy, students, exiles, missionaries, workers, thinkers, artists, lovers and devotees, from many parts of the world, all children of the God in whose image women are made. .... This blog seeks to glorify God through prayer, work, art, and intellectual reflection. Through articles and ensuing discussion we hope to become an active and thoughtful community.

 

John Harris’ Summit to Shore blogspot

Theological and philosophical reflections on everything between summit to shore, including kayaking, climbing, religion, spirituality, philosophy, theology, politics, culture, travel, The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), New York City and the Queens neighborhood of Ridgewood by a progressive New York City Presbyterian Pastor. John is a former member of the Witherspoon board, and is designated pastor of North Presbyterian Church in Flushing, NY.

 

John Shuck’s Shuck and Jive

A Presbyterian minister, currently serving as pastor of First Presbyterian Church of Elizabethton, Tenn., blogs about spirituality, culture, religion (both organized and disorganized), life, evolution, literature, Jesus, and lightening up.

 

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