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Covenant Network
conference seeks both action and conversation
[11-9-08]by Doug King,
Witherspoon WebWeaver
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Conference gathers
for first session |
The Covenant Network of Presbyterians gathered
over 300 people in Minneapolis on November 6 - 8, 2008, to reflect
on the theme of “Covenant: God is faithful still.” Much of the
three-day conference focused on the opportunity and challenge
presented by the action of the 218th General Assembly
last June. That Assembly, responding to an overture from the
Presbytery of Boston, proposed an amendment of the church’s Book of
Order, section G-6.0106b, which requires “fidelity and chastity” of
any Presbyterian seeking to be ordained as a minister or elder in
the church.
The Covenant Network was founded in 1997 to work for the full
inclusion (and ordination) of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender
members of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.). But as the Rev. Dr. Tim
Hart-Andersen acknowledged in one plenary discussion of strategy for
supporting the proposed Amendment 08-B, the leaders of the group are
not entirely agreed on how to respond to this opportunity for
change.
For
the text of the Boston overture as it was considered by the
Assembly.
How to pass the amendment – By argument or by conversation? By
moving quickly or slowly?
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Tim Hart-Andersen
and Doug Nave |
The two-hour session
on Thursday afternoon was led by Hart-Andersen, along with attorney
Douglas Nave, and the Rev. Tricia Dykers Koenig. They explained the
actions of the Assembly, and then dealt with ways people might help
their presbyteries through study and debate over the next few
months, before they act to approve or reject the amended version of
behavioral standards for ordination. Nave has worked for years, as
an out gay man and an ordained elder, to help change the
denomination’s exclusionary policies on ordination, providing expert
legal guidance for many in the process. Tricia Dykers Koenig is
National Organizer for Covenant Network. Hart-Andersen, who was one
of the founders of the Covenant Network, is the pastor of
Westminster Presbyterian Church in Minneapolis, which hosted the
conference.
Each of the three
speakers, and others who participated during the session, suggested
in various ways that the group’s commitment to the full inclusion of
lgbt Presbyterians must somehow be fulfilled through debate and
argument, yes – but not at the expense of breaking the ties of trust
and love that are supposed to bind us together as sisters and
brothers in one church. Nave and others emphasized that we will gain
nothing if “justice” is achieved by a change in the ordination
standards of the church, unless attitudes are also change and some
kind of “grace” is brought into the church as well. (Speaking as a
lawyer, Nave added that the other actions of the 215th
GA, including the elimination of earlier Authoritative
Interpretations condemning same-sex relationships, really mean that
lgbt persons who believe they are called to ordained service can
already move down that path, even without the change in G-6.0106b.
Other disputed that optimistic claim, however.)
This sense of tension
between pursuing the struggle for justice and inclusion, while also
seeking changes of heart and mind that will preserve the unity of
the church, ran through many of the presentations. One member of the
Covenant Network board, Dr. Barbara Wheeler, president of Auburn
Theological Seminary in New York, and a member of the Task Force on
the Peace, Unity and Purity of the Church which reported to the 217th
General Assembly in 2006, recently published
a statement in Presbyterian Outlook, urging that
presbyteries respond to the proposed amendment by voting to take no
action.
Click here for excerpts from Wheeler's article, and some
responses to it.
Presbyterian Outlook
provides a good summary of this
session on strategy, and the tension between the two approaches
of “conversation or combat.”
Presbyterian News Service has added its report on this
strategy session.
Covenant – What does it mean for us today?
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Stacy Johnson |
Prof. William
Stacy Johnson, author of A Time to Embrace: Same Gender
Relationship in Religion, Law and Politics, gave two addresses
dealing with the meaning of covenant. He first dealt with the divine
promise side of the covenant: “‘I will Be your God’ – But How?” And
then he considered the human side of the covenant arrangement: “‘You
Will Be My People’ – But When and Where? Marriage As Living
Example.” Johnson, who is associate professor of systematic theology
at Princeton Theological Seminary, spoke as a theologian, but also
as another member of the Peace, Unity and Purity task force.
Out of his experience
on the Task Force, Johnson said of the proposed amendment to the
Book of Order, “If I were in charge, I wouldn’t be putting an
amendment before the church this year. But I’m not in charge, and I
would argue that this overture is not about sexuality, but about
ordination and the Book of Order.” In the process of discussion and
action on the amendment, he said, “we need to listen to the people
who disagree with us.” He, like a number of other speakers, cited
Barack Obama’s speech after his election as one good example of what
Presbyterians need to be about: listening to their opponents and
responding to them in ways that may make some real change possible.
Good reports on
Johnson’s first address are provided by Jerry Van Marter of
Presbyterian News Service, and by Leslie Scanlon of
Presbyterian Outlook. Reports on his second address will
be listed here as soon as they’re available.
Prof. Walter
Brueggemann, emeritus professor of Old Testament at Columbia
Theological Seminary in Decatur, Georgia, speaking Friday morning on
the theme “Summoned to a Dialogic Life,” emphasized the complexity
of the Hebrews’ covenant tradition. He contrasted, for example,
God’s covenant with Abraham – a one-sided, unconditional promise
that God would care for Abraham’s descendants – with the covenant
with Moses, which involved demands on the people, and was
conditioned on their faithfulness in living up to those demands.
Both liberals and
conservatives, said Brueggemann, fall into distortions of those two
understandings of covenant. Conservatives tend to make the demands
(for “purity,” for example) into absolutes, while liberals lean
toward affirming the unconditional grace seen through God’s covenant
with Abraham – and no demands. In the debates on ordination, he
suggested, we must resist the temptations to absolutize either rigid
demands or a kind of “anything goes” insistence on God’s grace.
Brueggemann’s
presentation is reported, too, by both
Outlook and
Presbyterian News Service.
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[Added on 11-11-08]
Seeing gay and lesbian relationships through
new lens
Stacy Johnson’s second address to Covenant
Network conference
Building on his first presentation on covenant,
William Stacy Johnson spoke again on Saturday morning on the topic,
“‘You Will By My People’ – But When and Where? Marriage As Living
Example.”
When conservatives discuss sexual morality, he
said, they often focus on rules – as in, “Are you obeying the
rules,” said theologian William Stacy Johnson. And liberals often
start by asking, “Is this relationship sincere?”
But Johnson suggests that the Presbyterian Church
(U.S.A.) has nothing to gain by continuing the same debates over
homosexuality that have polarized the denomination for decades. A
better question, he suggested, would be to ask: “What does my
relationship with another demonstrate about the gospel?” Johnson is
arguing, in other words, for a change in approach.
“I think it is time for us to quit fighting over
gay sexuality using the old rules, the old paradigms, the old
lenses” Instead, he said, Presbyterians should stop debating gay
ordination as a political issue, and see the people behind the issue
– often committed couples, some of them raising children.
The full report from Presbyterian Outlook >>
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Worship
As is their custom,
the Covenant Network included numerous services of worship in the
conference, along with two periods featuring a wide variety of
workshops. The Presbyterian Outlook reports on the first of
the worship services, which was led by the Rev. Diane
Givens-Moffett, pastor of St. James Presbyterian Church in
Greensboro, N.C. Preaching from Acts 15, and the debate in the early
church over the proper place of Gentiles, she suggested that debates
in the church are not necessarily a bad thing, for they can lead to
new understanding, and the strengthening of the community’s
covenant.
She used as her text
a passage from the 15th chapter of Acts, in which Paul and Barnabas
were involved in a church debate over the Gentiles. And she made the
analogy that debates within the church are not necessarily bad –
that “when we can argue well and debate openly, a new day can dawn,
a new season can emerge, a new time can spring forth and our
comprehensive covenant can be strengthened.” Even harsh debates, she
said, can lead us to new understandings, as “we can see how God
keeps breaking out of the boxes we place God in, refusing to be
shaped in our image, defined with our lines and drawn with our
limited understanding.”
More from Outlook >> (Scroll down to the end of the
article.)
Another worship service, on Friday evening, was led by Barbara
Lundblad, a Lutheran minister, associate professor of preaching
at Union Theological Seminary in New York, who has also served as
Co-President of the Network for Inclusive Vision of the Evangelical
Lutheran Church of America.
Outlook also has a report on her sermon >>
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Elder Barbara
Wheeler says PC(USA) should take no action in dealing with G-6.0106b
[11-9-08]Dr. Barbara G.
Wheeler, who is president of Auburn Theological Seminary in New York
City, and served on the Task Force on the Peace, Unity and Purity of
the Church, and is a member of the Board of the Covenant Network,
recently published an article in The Presbyterian Outlook,
expressing her support for the amendment of G-6.0106b that was sent
to the presbyteries by the 218th General Assembly. But
she urges that for this year, the presbyteries should simply take no
action on the amendment.
Wheeler’s article >>
A few excerpts from her article:
Ever since G-6.0106b was added to the Book of
Order, I have been working with other Presbyterians to remove or
replace it because — I am convinced — it is Biblically,
theologically, and legally unsound. In June, the General Assembly
placed before the church as Amendment 08-B a beautifully-crafted
alternative. Grateful as I am to the framers from Boston Presbytery
and the commissioners who recognized the value of their work, I do
not think that it will benefit the church to act on this
constitutional amendment this year.
... I still think that G-6.0106b must be removed.
It is a blot on the Constitution. ...
[But] here are reasons that Presbyterians should
not pour their hopes and energy into a pitched battle this year to
replace, or retain, G-6.0106b.
The door to ordination is [already] open. ...
On the other hand, the removal or replacement of G-6.0106b will not
widen the path to ordination. ...
In short: the removal or retention of G-6.0106b is
no longer the key to determining who does or does not get ordained
or installed.
A yes-no vote on Amendment 08-B will not
accomplish what remains to be done: reaching a theological consensus
about norms for human sexual behavior. ... Therefore, I have been
deeply engaged, in my presbytery and elsewhere, in serious
“struggles for the Gospel” with colleagues whose views are different
from mine. ...
The goal of full acceptance for LGBT persons in
the church and wider society will be furthered only by searching
Biblical study and loving theological conversation in which
Presbyterians feel free to explore views different from those the
majority now holds. ...
The costs of the battle over constitutional change
may be greater than the benefits of deciding to replace or retain
Amendment 08-B. One lesson from past clashes over constitutional
amendments is that the side effects can be costly. Presbyterian
fights over sex attract media attention, and the church loses the
capacity to communicate the meaning of its actions to its members.
...
If the amendment is defeated by negative votes,
the headlines will scream, “Presbyterians Vote Against Homosexuals.”
LGBT persons in the church and beyond will be devastated. Many gay
people, especially youth who are struggling to come to terms with
their sexuality, will hear this as a rejection of their humanity and
their faith. ...
[A] decision not to decide now, which would be the
clear message if presbyteries choose to take no action, would keep
Presbyterians together to wrestle a blessing from this important
issue that God has set before the church. ...
Around the world, religious zeal fuels violence.
In many churches, it creates bitter conflict. In such a context,
imagine the gospel power of a community whose members have opposing
deep convictions about an issue but still model gentle, respectful
treatment of each other, put the interests of others ahead of their
own, regard others as better than themselves, and stop short of
humiliating their opponents, even when they have the few extra votes
necessary to do so — all possible because the One who took human
form chose humble obedience and generous service as the way to
victory and glory. His body, his church, can live that way too.
If you have comments to offer
on this proposal for "No Action"
on Amendment 08-B,
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Responses to
Wheeler's "no action" suggestion
[11-9-08]
The Rev. John Shuck, pastor of First
Presbyterian Church of Elizabethton, Tennessee, responded with
this critique on his blog,
shuckandjive
I still think that G-6.0106b must be removed. It
is a blot on the Constitution. It was tortuously worded to create
the appearance of fairness — the same standard for gay and straight
officers — as cover for its discriminatory intent, the exclusion of
gays and lesbians. It promotes misuse of the church’s great
confessions of faith as catalogs of sins. By specifying only one
kind of behavior that “demonstrates the Christian gospel in the
church and the world” (G-6.0106a), it elevates the sexual dimensions
of the Christian life over those that receive equal or greater
emphasis in Scripture.
She has that right. Then she makes a 180 degree
turn. Not this year, she says: “A yes-no vote on Amendment 08-B will
not accomplish what remains to be done: reaching a theological
consensus about norms for human sexual behavior.”
It is hard to get a grasp on privilege. Here is a
seminary president, a straight person, a well-meaning liberal,
bright and articulate, who is an ordained elder. I don't know if it
is a matter of caving under pressure or fear of success, but it
seems at the moment when significant change can happen, liberals get
scared. They are scared of losing the institution. Scared that
conservatives will leave. Scared that demands for justice do not
sound nice.
It is offensive, frankly, after all the work that
has gone into bringing people thus far, that a straight would have
the temerity to say it's not time yet for you gay people to get your
rights.
What is this about the need to reach "theological
consensus about norms for sexual behavior"? Are we supposed to wait
for justice until every Presbyterian realizes that discrimination is
not what Jesus would do? Theological consensus never occurs prior to
major change. Theology follows politics. It always has. We only
think it happens before. Change comes from the hard work of
politicking and voting. Justice is not granted. It is taken.
Did the church need to wait until no one was
racist before working for civil rights? Did the Presbyterian Church
reach "theological consensus" before ordaining women? No. People are
still racist and sexist in the church. Those who wish to keep the
status quo have no motivation for conversation unless they are being
pushed to change.
Dr. Wheeler writes: “The goal of full acceptance
for LGBT persons in the church and wider society will be furthered
only by searching Biblical study and loving theological conversation
in which Presbyterians feel free to explore views different from
those the majority now holds.”
This is where Dr. Wheeler is fundamentally wrong.
Obviously conversation about these matters is a good thing and it
will help in some cases. But conversation is not enough. We are
dealing with deep-seated issues that will not ever change for many
people.
We do not live in a friendly world. We do not
serve in a friendly church. Discrimination is ugly. It hurts. It is
most insidious when it is within the church and covered over with
theological language. There are large numbers of people in the
church who will not get it. Justice is not about waiting for them to
get it before making needed changes.
However, there are more and more people who do get
it. They get it because they have been forced to deal with it. There
is never discernment, discussion, or chatting over tea and Cheetos
unless we force the conversation.
This business about conversation and discernment
and theological consensus before change is a stalling tactic. The
only people who are for this are the conservatives who do not want
change and straight liberals with privilege who only want change if
it doesn't upset their apple cart.
The revised amendment may not pass. It will be
disappointing if that happens. But we have barely begun the voting
and the privileged liberals are already throwing in the towel. I
believe it can happen.
Make the change. Vote yes on the new G-6.0106b and
talk it up!!!
Posted By John Shuck to Shuck and Jive at 11/04/2008 03:59:00 P
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Toby Rogers, the new Associate
Director of More Light Presbyterians, responded on Shuck’s blog:
John:
This is excellent. Thank you for your thoughtful
writing!
What's strange about Wheeler's argument is how
un-Biblical it is. "What does the Lord require of you but to do
justice and to love kindness and to walk humbly with your God."
(Micah 6:8) I don't recall Jesus saying we had to wait for
theological consensus before working for justice. Wheeler's argument
appears to make an idol out of consensus -- which is troubling to
say the least.
For more ways to get involved in the movement to
approve Amendment 08-B in the presbyteries please check out:
http://www.mlp.org/answeringgodscall
Again thanks for your thoughtful post!
All the best,
Toby Rogers
Associate Director
More Light Presbyterians
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Another response to Barbara Wheeler’s call for
“No Action” on 08-B
“Our
LGBT friends certainly deserve a little better.”
[11-11-08]
This
essay has come to us from the Rev. Chris Joiner,
pastor of First Presbyterian Church in Franklin, Tenn. He prepared
it, he writes, “in response to a series of conversations moving
around the presbytery on the question of ‘voting not to vote.’ ”
I
have great respect for Barbara Wheeler and for the work she did on
the PUP Task Force. Indeed, the work that she did, and led them in
doing, is still I think the best chance we have as a denomination
for moving forward together.
It
is because of the work of that task force, and because of the many
statements she makes in this recent article, that I cannot agree
with her on the upcoming vote.
Wheeler herself states that G-6.0106b is:
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A blot on the Constitution
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Tortuously worded to create the appearance of fairness.
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Discriminatory in its intention to exclude gays and lesbians
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Promotes misuse of the church’s confessions
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Elevates sexual dimensions of the Christian life over others
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Assumes and anchors certain teachings that are distortions of
the gospel
She
states that the presence of G-6.0106b has created an environment
where:
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Countless LGBT persons have their vocations of partnership and
service arbitrarily rejected
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LGBT people who are without the rare gift of celibacy are left
stranded without support or affirmation
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LGBT people are left helpless, more distanced from God, and
subject to a teaching about God that is not true.
In
my opinion, if anyone believes that the above is true and then goes
on to not vote when the question is posed at the presbytery level,
that person is voting for the status quo. Wheeler as much as admits
this when she states in her article, in passing, “Yes, not voting
will count against the replacement of G-6.0106b.” Wheeler is willing
to bypass this goal (one gets the sense she means temporarily) while
we wait on the day in the future when, by working together in unity
and common discernment, the church achieves the full acceptance of
LGBT people. She makes a good argument, but I disagree with it on
the following grounds:
1. Her
argument assumes that the door is now open to ordination, thereby
circumventing (b). She is of course right about this, and that is
why there is already a fairly significant exodus occurring out of
this denomination by the more conservative pastors and churches,
costly litigation, and the not so veiled threat by San Diego
Presbytery to withdraw as a presbytery. It is important to note that
all of this is happening quite apart from the question of the
removal of b, and largely in reaction to other actions of the 2008
General Assembly to affirm and the actions of the 2006 assembly to
approve PUP. If we were to use the logic of Wheeler, we would have
to assume that the folks at that 2006 assembly who urged the defeat
of PUP (using some of the same reasons Wheeler now uses), were
ultimately correct. I don’t think she would say we should have
passed up the chance to vote on PUP then, even though the exodus of
conservatives that was predicted by many has occurred and continues
to occur. It is my feeling that even if the presbyteries vote
overwhelmingly not to ratify this assembly action, the bleeding will
not stop. There will always be another reason to leave, or to
threaten to leave, or to withhold funds (or designate them). Many of
these folks will say behind closed doors, and some of them right out
loud, that this is an apostate denomination. There’s not a lot of
wiggle room there for unity. It is perhaps just a touch
condescending to the conservatives out there to hear a member of the
PUP Task Force say, in essence, “We’ve already got ordination, so we
can wait out b until more conservatives come around.” That’s the
essence of her argument here, I think, and it is not one I would
welcome if I were a conservative. I suspect many of them would like
to be treated with a bit more respect, and given the chance to have
an open, adult conversation, followed by a vote.
2. She
argues rightly that a yes-no vote will not accomplish what remains
to be done: reaching a theological consensus about norms for human
sexual behavior. She sees this consensus emerging as the church
engages in conversations bound together by covenants that protect
participants from public exposure, and thus opens the door for
candor. I think this is precisely the way to go. It is my hope that
this presbytery can see its way clear to formally creating such
opportunities. Unfortunately, with one or two notable exceptions,
this presbytery has not done so in regard to this issue, and it is
only the possibility of a vote that has led us to even having this
conversation. So, as far as the Presbytery of Middle Tennessee is
concerned, the GA did us a favor by forcing the issue. We have an
opportunity to construct the kinds of conversational communities
Wheeler envisions in anticipation of a vote. Voting not to vote
might have the salutary effect Wheeler envisions in some places, but
here in Middle Tennessee I fear it will only reinforce our
tendencies to not talk at all about this issue out of the mistaken
assumption that it is an issue for “blue states.” We need to talk.
And, frankly, I’m not under any illusion that our presbytery will
vote to ratify. But we do have an opportunity here to have a
conversation along the lines of what Wheeler imagines. If our whole
conversation and debate centers on whether or not to vote, we will
have missed the mark.
3. Wheeler
states that the costs may out-weigh the benefits. This is a highly
utilitarian view, and I think her weakest argument. She places a lot
of weight on media attention, citing anecdotal reports from
“conservative pastors” that many of their congregants get their
Presbyterian news from talk radio. Once their opinions are formed
(by I assume Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity), then church leaders are
too late to interpret and explain. These “poorly informed”
congregants will defect, and it will be our loss. While I suspect
that she has grossly over-simplified the dilemma and caricatured
many conservatives here, her point about any defections being our
loss is valid. My point is that many of these folks have either gone
or have one foot out the door. The actions we take to vote or not to
vote will not likely stop this exodus. Furthermore, media attention
from the likes of Limbaugh and Hannity et al, or the lack of it,
should not be a motivating factor in this decision. Our LGBT friends
certainly deserve a little better.
I
guess for me that is the crux. I have a gay brother who long ago
made his own rather quiet exodus from the church. His exodus, and
the thousands like him over the years, begs to be noted in this
debate. I have no doubt that eventually the full acceptance of LGBT
people will be a reality. In the meantime, a General Assembly has
taken an action and asked for presbyteries to make their voices
heard. I really will be okay, and I think this congregation will be
okay, no matter which way the vote comes out. But, if we vote to not
vote, I can’t shake another voice from another time, who wisely
counseled from a jail in Birmingham, Alabama:
I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that the
present tension in the South is a necessary phase of the
transition from an obnoxious negative peace, in which the Negro
passively accepted his unjust plight, to a substantive and
positive peace, in which all men will respect the dignity and
worth of human personality. Actually, we who engage in
nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We
merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already
alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and
dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is
covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the
natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed,
with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human
conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be
cured.
There was a time when the church was very powerful--in the time
when the early Christians rejoiced at being deemed worthy to
suffer for what they believed. In those days the church was not
merely a thermometer that recorded the ideas and principles of
popular opinion; it was a thermostat that transformed the mores
of society. Whenever the early Christians entered a town, the
people in power became disturbed and immediately sought to
convict the Christians for being "disturbers of the peace" and
"outside agitators."' But the Christians pressed on, in the
conviction that they were "a colony of heaven," called to obey
God rather than man. Small in number, they were big in
commitment. They were too God-intoxicated to be "astronomically
intimidated." By their effort and example they brought an end to
such ancient evils as infanticide and gladiatorial contests.
Things are different now. So often the contemporary church is a
weak, ineffectual voice with an uncertain sound. So often it is
an arch-defender of the status quo. Far from being disturbed by
the presence of the church, the power structure of the average
community is consoled by the church's silent – and often even
vocal – sanction of things as they are.
But the judgment of God is upon the church as never before. If
today's church does not recapture the sacrificial spirit of the
early church, it will lose its authenticity, forfeit the loyalty
of millions, and be dismissed as an irrelevant social club with
no meaning for the twentieth century. Every day I meet young
people whose disappointment with the church has turned into
outright disgust.
I know this is a different issue, and that there is no direct
correlation between Martin Luther King, Jr. and the fight for full
inclusion of African Americans in society with the fight for full
inclusion of LGBT persons into our churches (though there are
several intriguing points of convergence). But, if Wheeler really
believes everything she said about G-6.0106b in the opening section
of her article, then to choose to give away our voice, our vote, to
willingly divest ourselves of the chance to once again speak up
against this injustice, is tantamount to maintaining the status quo.
I speak as someone who has never really been a part of groups like
the Covenant Network or Witherspoon Society, though my goals line up
with theirs. I am not an activist by any stretch. I have many people
I love and respect that will defend G-6.0106b and strongly disagree
with me on this issue. If any of them ever left the church, I would
be hurt and diminished. I hope our fragile unity can be preserved. I
hope I will always be found among those who show great respect to
those with whom I disagree and who would never wish them to leave. I
feel like they respect me. But, to me, it is not ultimately an act
of respect to abstain from voting. What is ultimately respectful is
having a sustained, educated, loving conversation, followed by a
constitutional vote, followed by a covenantal effort to remain in
community, no matter how the vote turns out. Voting is not
inherently divisive, and the fact that it is being construed as such
is troubling. Voting is not the problem. How we choose to engage one
another before and after the vote is the problem. Choosing not to
vote is choosing, in essence, to ignore the real problem.
Peace,
Chris Joiner
Christopher A. Joiner
Pastor, First Presbyterian Church
Franklin, Tennessee
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“No action” won’t help move us
forward Remarks generated by the Wheeler
and Loudon articles in The Presbyterian
Outlook
[11-12-08] Dale Johnson, who was an elder
commissioner to the 2008 General Assembly and a member
of the Church Orders and Ministry Committee which
considered the overtures dealing with ordination,
responds to two recent articles in Presbyterian
Outlook calling for “no action” on Amendment 08-B.
From his own involvement in the work of
the committee that sent 08-B to the presbyteries,
Johnson urges that the decisions of the committee – and
the Assembly as a whole – be taken seriously, for they
believed that their other actions
to eliminate old
Authoritative Interpretations and
to leave ordination
decisions to the discernment of presbyteries and
sessions should be completed by the
amendment of the existing
G-6.0106b. Further, he questions
the possibility of
fruitful conversation after so many years of talk
without action.
Read Johnson's
essay >> |
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on the proposal for "No Action"
on Amendment 08-B,
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Some blogs worth visiting |
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PVJ's
Facebook page
Mitch Trigger, PVJ's
Secretary/Communicator, has created a Facebook page where
Witherspoon members and others can gather to exchange news and
views. Mitch and a few others have posted bits of news, both
personal and organizational. But there’s room for more!
You can post your own news and views,
or initiate a conversation about a topic of interest to you. |
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Voices of Sophia blog
Heather Reichgott, who has created
this new blog for Voices of Sophia, introduces it:
After fifteen years of scholarship
and activism, Voices of Sophia presents a blog. Here, we present the
voices of feminist theologians of all stripes: scholars, clergy,
students, exiles, missionaries, workers, thinkers, artists, lovers
and devotees, from many parts of the world, all children of the God
in whose image women are made. .... This blog seeks to glorify God
through prayer, work, art, and intellectual reflection. Through
articles and ensuing discussion we hope to become an active and
thoughtful community. |
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John Harris’ Summit to
Shore blogspot
Theological and philosophical
reflections on everything between summit to shore, including
kayaking, climbing, religion, spirituality, philosophy, theology,
politics, culture, travel, The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), New
York City and the Queens neighborhood of Ridgewood by a progressive
New York City Presbyterian Pastor. John is a former member of the
Witherspoon board, and is designated pastor of North Presbyterian
Church in Flushing, NY. |
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John Shuck’s Shuck and Jive
A Presbyterian minister, currently
serving as pastor of First Presbyterian Church of Elizabethton,
Tenn., blogs about spirituality, culture, religion (both organized
and disorganized), life, evolution, literature, Jesus, and
lightening up. |
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Got more blogs to recommend?
Please
send a note, and we'll see what we can do! |
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Plan now for our 2010 Ghost Ranch
Seminar!
GHOST RANCH SEMINAR
July 26-August 1, 2010
WE’RE ALL IN
THIS TOGETHER
CONFRONTING THE STRUCTURES OF INJUSTICE |
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